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LackeyCCG Forum => Bug Report Forum => Topic started by: GewoonDaan on October 05, 2012, 07:11:42 AM

Title: Die rolls not random.
Post by: GewoonDaan on October 05, 2012, 07:11:42 AM
The die rolls seem to be broken.
In general, they seem to avoid doubles, so if you roll 6 dice (/r 6), the result is always 21.
With higher numbers of dice, it seems to favor an even spread as much as possible, so 12 dice will always be 42.
A thing to note is that it is not 100% of the cases, but rather something like 99% or even less.
Title: Re: Die rolls not random.
Post by: Trevor on October 05, 2012, 10:39:17 AM
I just tested it a number of times and I didn't get the patterns you mentioned.

Show me some screenshots of several successive rolls if you can see any predictive patterns.
Title: Re: Die rolls not random.
Post by: GewoonDaan on October 05, 2012, 12:06:59 PM
Hm I don't know if I just missed that earlier, but now it just sequences 1-6. The only thing that changes is at what number it starts.

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Title: Re: Die rolls not random.
Post by: Saethori on October 05, 2012, 05:47:13 PM
I just tested this myself out of curiosity, but don't see the same results you do. In the two versions I use (4/11/12 and 2/09/12), rolling dice of varying amounts, even in the amount you have, yields no discernible pattern, and the results do not average.

So my current thought is that there is an unusual interaction with how Lackey's random number generator interacts with your system. Trevor would probably know more about specifically how Lackey calls the numbers, though, and if there's some outside force that could manipulate it.
Title: Re: Die rolls not random.
Post by: Nava on October 05, 2012, 06:17:40 PM
Quote from: Saethori on October 05, 2012, 05:47:13 PM
I just tested this myself out of curiosity, but don't see the same results you do. In the two versions I use (4/11/12 and 2/09/12), rolling dice of varying amounts, even in the amount you have, yields no discernible pattern, and the results do not average.

So my current thought is that there is an unusual interaction with how Lackey's random number generator interacts with your system. Trevor would probably know more about specifically how Lackey calls the numbers, though, and if there's some outside force that could manipulate it.

This behavior was reported before, in this thread http://www.lackeyccg.com/forum/index.php?topic=1580.msg12292#msg12292 (http://www.lackeyccg.com/forum/index.php?topic=1580.msg12292#msg12292); I tried it on my systems (different Mac Os X systems) which showed the described predictable behavior, but when tried on Windows (XP or 7) it seemed to be random.
Title: Re: Die rolls not random.
Post by: GewoonDaan on October 05, 2012, 06:30:41 PM
Hm, weird. Well I'm getting along ok with loose die rolls.

Mac OS 10.7.4, 2,1 GHz Intel MacBook by the way
Title: Re: Die rolls not random.
Post by: Trevor on October 06, 2012, 12:25:12 AM
I have tested it on Mac OSX 10.8. It's possible there is a bug running on 10.7. Exactly how are you rolling these dice? You using a macro, or typing, or something else? There's a bunch of different ways to roll dice. Please be as specific as possible. There is definitely an issue, but I haven't been able to observe it myself.